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 Subject :I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-23 21:57:42 
rentacop1976
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I found this on rense.com. It's a clip from an interview of Eustace Mullins by James Dyer, who apparently works with Jeff Rense. Here is the link for the full interview: http://www.rense.com/general39/EUSTACE.htm

On the John Birch Society...

JBS was setup by Nelson Rockefeller. I knew two people at the original meeting. They needed a right-wing, anti-communist organization. NR decided that Robert Welch was the man to run JBS, so he arranged for the sale of Welch's Candy Co. (where Robert Welch had been working for his brother John) to Nabisco (which was a Rockefeller controlled company) at a highly inflated price and Welch was given an income to run the John Birch Society.

Revilo Oliver was a good friend of mine and he was one of the founders of the JBS. He and I were sitting in his living room once and he told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because he had a revolving fund at Chase Manhattan Bank, and whenever Welch needed a quarter million dollars to meet the payroll, he'd go to CMB and withdraw the money.

Oliver told you that?

Himself. One of the founders, can't ask for better authority than that.

I traveled around for years and I was trusted because it was pretty well established that I was working for no one but myself, so people would be frank with me. I'm writing my autobiography now, which will break all these things out. It'll be out this spring. I'll go into JBS, McCarthy, Ezra Pound and e.e. cummings...

I have a few questions about this. First, is it true? Second, if it is not, what would Jeff Rense or Eustace Mullins stand to gain from saying this? Third, if it IS true, it would suggest that the JBS is under the control of the same international banking cartel that was behind the formation of the UN, and thus is funded by the same people who fund the programs that we are trying to speak out against. So the third question, then, is if it is true, what is the ultimate goal here?

I eagerly await the reply of the JBS Administration on this issue, and I hope there is some material to back up your rebuttal. I am doing a search to determine the sources of Eustace Mullins' claims, if those sources can be found. I am prepared to give the JBS the benefit of the doubt, since the only source he cited in the interview is Revilo Oliver, whom he says is a co-founder of the JBS. I did a search on this site, and did not find any mention of that name. Does anyone know where this came from?
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-24 19:09:47 
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rentacop1976--This is one of those many rumors folks can find circulating on the Internet, but this one has been around since the late 1980s.  JBS President John McManus wrote a response to this years ago, which I'm posting here for you.  Hope this helps to clear the air.

Thanks,

Bill Hahn
JBS PR Manager

 

Memo Responding to the Wild Charges of Eustace Mullins

 

            In 1988, Eustace Mullins issued a book entitled Murder By Injection.  It dealt mainly with his belief that inoculations against diseases were dangerous, hence his title.  He described the book himself as “the story of the medical conspiracy against America.” 

 

            Readers of this book will find that pages 340-341 contain several sensational charges about Robert Welch, the Founder of The John Birch Society. They are all completely false.  But, because these claims about Robert Welch have been circulated from time to time, we are forced to respond.  All of these claims and appropriate denials of their veracity follow.

 

1.The Rockefellers were also active on the ‘rightwing’ front through their sponsorship of the John Birch Society.  There has never been any such sponsorship of the Society by any Rockefeller.

 

 

2.      Robert Welch, a 32nd degree Mason…. Robert Welch was never a member of any branch of Masonry at any level.

 

3.      Nelson Rockefeller purchased his family firm, the Welch Candy Company, from him [Robert] at a handsome price.  Robert Welch separated himself from the James O. Welch Candy Company (James was his brother) more than a year before he launched the John Birch Society.  The company was later sold by James not by Robert, to Nabisco, not to Nelson Rockefeller. 

 

4.      Welch chose the principal officers of the John Birch Society from his acquaintances at the Council on Foreign Relations.  Robert Welch chose for his Advisory Council many of the men he had met during his very active participation in the work in the National Association of Manufacturers, not the Council on Foreign Relations.  These men included Wm. J. Grede, John T. Brown, W.B. McMillan, J. Nelson Shepherd, Robert W. Stoddard, Louis Ruthenburg, A.G. Heinsohn, and N. Floyd McGowin.  None these men had anything to do with the Council on Foreign Relations. Years later, former State Department diplomat Spruille Braden accepted appointment to the JBS Council after discovering that the Council on Foreign Relations which he had joined as a young man, was a fountain of anti-Americanism that he no longer wanted to be associated with.  Mullins never mentioned this. 

 

            Before the Murder By Injection book had come to the attention of anyone on the staff of the Society, the monthly newsletter “Criminal Politics” had published the above charges as if they were truthful.  A letter was sent to the Cincinnati office of this newsletter setting the record straight.  The newsletter’s editor sent the JBS-issued letter to Mullins who promptly responded with a threatening letter to the JBS official who wrote it insisting that the corrections of the charges he made in Murder By Injection were “prima facie evidence of an intent to injure and defame me.”  And Mullins added: “You are hereby placed on notice that I intend to file suit on your vicious and underhanded smear attack against me and my work.”

 

            All this for calmly and accurately defending the Society and Robert Welch from completely false charges.  Lawyers for JBS immediately advised that the threat issued by Mullins was merely a scare tactic that would not be carried out and should be ignored. 

 

            Then, in an interview published in 2003 in a small-circulation newsletter entitled Emerson’s Review, Mullins repeated some of the above absurdities but added that a good friend of mine [who] was one of the founders of the JBS told me that he knew Nelson Rockefeller ran the Birch Society because he had a revolving fund at Chase Manhattan Bank, and whenever Welch needed a quarter million dollars to meet the payroll, he’d go to CMB and withdraw the money.  That is pure and unadulterated nonsense. 

 

            Mullins has frequently complained that the Society has “blacklisted” him and his books.  He should hardly be surprised that JBS isn’t about to endorse him and his works after he issued such defamatory nonsense about the Society and its Founder.  In truth, Robert Welch who had read some of Mullins’ publications before being attacked by the man had never wanted anything to do with Mullins, including not recommending any of his books.  If others found value in the man’s work, that was their decision. Even before Murder By Injection, JBS had a policy of refusing to review or distribute anything produced by Eustace Mullins. That decision had been made because the man’s works were not considered reliable.  This is still JBS policy.

 

John F. McManus

President, The John Birch Society

                                                                                    April 8, 2008

 

(This memo summarizes several responses to the Eustace Mullins’ charges written over many years.  What was stated then is repeated here in capsulated form.)

 

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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-24 11:11:10 
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 Then of course there is the other test:  

How many people did Robert Welch bring into the Freedom fight versus Eustace Mullins?

I can tell you that in the 1960's and 70's, before the Amazon age, when Ron Paul needed a copy of the Law to hand out to friends, he could get one at an American Opinion Book Store run by the JBS.  Mullins on the other hand, probably spent more time fighting patriots than trying to build them up.

Does this excerpt from Welch's founding presentation of The John Birch Society sound like something from a Rockefeller shill?

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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-24 11:15:00 
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Why has the John Birch Society allowed Mr. Mullins to continue committing slander and libel against the organization without legal response, or has JBS done so? If JBS has responded to Mullins with legal action, why is he allowed to continue to defame our organization? Is there any way to legally respond in which to hinder or eliminate future defamation charges made against JBS?
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-25 03:22:34 
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Regarding a legal challenge to Mullins, at this point such action is probably not worth the expenditure of time and resources.

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 Subject :Re:Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-25 12:04:46 
Bill Hahn
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Sweet William,

I asked John McManus your question and here is his response:

"Mullins has done himself more harm than any harm he has inflicted on JBS.  He reaches very few.  Honest people who come across his nonsense are given the truth, and it customarily endears them to JBS.
 
Robert Welch advised at the very beginning of JBS to "stay out of the courts."  Good advice that we continue to adhere to."

My own response is that there is so much disinfo out there on JBS, some of it on purpose, but others just picked up and recirculated without much thought to the truth.  We rely mostly on informed members and allies who know the truth to help educate those that want to know the truth.  Unfortuantely our legal bills could be extraordinary if we sued to correct each situation.  But I do understand the frustration.  We all feel that when we come across it.  And it's usually a handful of the same smears or false info over and over again.  We'd much rather spend valuable resources on restoring American freedom rather than tying them up in court.

Thanks for asking sir,

Bill



[Sweet William 2009-06-24 10:15:00]:


Why has the John Birch Society allowed Mr. Mullins to continue committing slander and libel against the organization without legal response, or has JBS done so? If JBS has responded to Mullins with legal action, why is he allowed to continue to defame our organization? Is there any way to legally respond in which to hinder or eliminate future defamation charges made against JBS?
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-25 11:03:27 
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Bill,


An excellent perspective and quite logical. I do appreciate you having taken the time to find the answer to my question.


Thank you,

Will~
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-26 04:08:46 
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Was Revilo Oliver a co-founder of the JBS? If so, what would he stand to gain by telling these things to Eustace Mullins if the JBS has already deemed him untrustworthy? And what of the connection between NABISCO and Nelson Rockefeller?
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-26 17:52:10 
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I did an "Ask" search and found a link to a Wikipedia article that said this of Revilo Oliver:


In 1958, Oliver joined Robert Welch in being one of the founding members of the anti-Communist John Birch Society. Oliver even wrote frequently for the Birch Society magazine American Opinion, his most widely-noted piece being a two-part article called "Marxmanship in Dallas" that asserted that Lee Harvey Oswald had carried out the assassination of President John F. Kennedy as part of a Communist conspiracy. In Oliver's opinion, the Communists wished to eliminate Kennedy as a puppet who had outlived his usefulness. Oliver even testified before the Warren Commission on the basis for his assertions, but was laughed off the stage. He was even reprimanded over his remarks by the University of Illinois' Board of Trustees, but they did not try to unseat him.[4][5][6]

In the 1960s, Oliver supposedly broke with conventional American conservatism and, having become convinced that Welch had either cozened him from the start or sold out later, he even severed his connections with what he called "the Birch hoax." He thus came to openly embrace an essentially far-right worldview, and eventually to assist William Luther Pierce in forming the National Alliance, a White Nationalist organization, a significant portion of whose supporters and members would re-form under the name National Vanguard.

He has been described as "one of America's most notorious fascists"[who?] and, according to B'nai Brith Canada, was "a long time proponent of antisemitism."[7]

Revilo was an editorial adviser for a Holocaust denial organization, the Institute for Historical Review, and a regular contributor to the notorious anti-Semitic periodical, Liberty Bell.[8] His writings have even been promoted by Kevin Alfred Strom of National Vanguard.[9]

 

 

I was not able to confirm that Nabisco was controlled by any member of the Rockefeller family or Chase Manhattan Bank back in 1958 or thereafter.  It appears to me that if someone is claiming that Robert Welch benefited from the largesse of Chase Manahattan Bank, it is up to him to present evidence for the claim.  So far, all I have seen is the unsubstantiated claim. 

I never met Mr. Welch, but after reading his _Blue Book_ I became impressed with him as a person of great intelligence, strong dedication and earnest patriotism.  Obviously, he is not around now to defend himself.  It would take a lot to convince me that Mr. Welch ever did anything intended to harm his country or betray the organization that he founded.  I agree with capo, who said in an earlier post that Robert Welch's record speaks for itself.

 

John Lyon

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John,

Excellent research! Thank you for taking the time to post your findings.

~Will
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-06-28 21:18:39 
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I have a large body of historical material on the JBS which I've collected since becoming a member a few years back, and some of it includes books and pamphlets critical of the society. Much of it has it's origin in a coordinated effort to discredit the JBS in the 1960's on the part of a network of left wing organizations. Interestingly, one common method of attack was to use the actions or statements of people who had either briefly attended meetings or, in a few cases, been members for a short time before moving on or being asked to leave. The patently false, but often publicized claim that the society was a hotbed of fascists and anti-semites brought interest from a number of deluded people who sought to use it for their own ends and then left after finding out that the society was nothing like it was portrayed in the media. The best course of action is not to look for specific rebuttals of the claims of crackpots, but to read the JBS literature that is available everywhere. I think it's pretty obvious that no Rockefeller agenda has ever been championed by the society or Robert Welch. To give a personal example, I've done my banking for years at a locally owned bank. This past year because of the financial crisis it was taken over by Chase Manhatten Bank. I certainly wouldn't want anyone to assume that I support the Rockefellers because I temporarily did business with a bank affiliated with them!
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To a crackpot, any publicity is good publicity, also.



[Publius 2009-06-25 02:22:34]:

Regarding a legal challenge to Mullins, at this point such action is probably not worth the expenditure of time and resources.



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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-07-04 18:20:14 
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Very informative thread. I have run into this kind of information from time to time and it sounds credible enough to cause one to wonder. However, it since it does not square with every experience I have had with JBS I generally passed over it. It's nice to know the facts behind these smear stories and how bogus they really are. Thanks for the information.

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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-10-24 21:59:08 
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I find it hard to believe that the Rockefellers were involved in JBS since JBS seems to hate them. But then again when I first learned George H.W. Bush was involved in JBS I found that difficult to believe but it turned out to be true. He joined it in 1964 during his Senate campaign as part of his Goldwater profile. His Democratic opponent Ralph Yarborough said that even after Goldwater repudiated JBS Bush said he welcomed the support of JBS and encouraged it and sought their votes. One biography of Bush said he "was straining to have as much as possible in common" with JBS, "but his Eastern Liberal Establishment pedigree was always there" as an obstacle that made Birchers not trust him. After he lost in 1964 and he tried to reposition himself as more moderate Bush repudiated JBS. Now JBS hates the Bush family and views them as part of the one world government conspiracy.
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The issue I have with biographies is due to their lack of credibility. Biographies most often espouse speculation as fact or add unsubstantiated statements to partial facts. Autobiographies most often elaborate on half-truths.

Regardless, the 'viewed conspiracy' you refer to is not as much a 'viewed conspiracy' when you take into consideration that Mr. Bush is a documented and active member of the CFR, Trilateral Commission, and the Bohemian Club (as are many elected members within our federal government). Unless, of course, you are willing to state such organizations are not in support of an international governing body. In which case, you will need to contact these groups and inform them they need to rewrite and redirect their mission statements.

The John Birch Society cannot help the fact that during cyclic periods of strong popularity there will be opportunistic political figures join its membership in hopes of using that membership for their political advantage. Sometimes, a person's political views genuinely and sincerely change over time due to peer influences or personal experiences. Sometimes, their political views never change and they merely use alliances to project initial appearances for temporary gain. No matter the reason, there will always be those who join organizations such as the John Birch Society only to later act or make statements that are in opposite view of such organizations. These organizations can hardly be held responsible for an individual's motives when applying for membership. However, it is the responsibility of the organizations to speak out when members publicly act or speak in a manner not representative of their views. JBS has been very vocal of the fact that Mr. Bush has not been representative of its stated views, past member or not.

As for "the" Rockefeller name, I have not yet found any substantiated evidence showing a past or present alliance to the JBS organization.



[gwbush39 2009-10-24 21:59:08]:

I find it hard to believe that the Rockefellers were involved in JBS since JBS seems to hate them. But then again when I first learned George H.W. Bush was involved in JBS I found that difficult to believe but it turned out to be true. He joined it in 1964 during his Senate campaign as part of his Goldwater profile. His Democratic opponent Ralph Yarborough said that even after Goldwater repudiated JBS Bush said he welcomed the support of JBS and encouraged it and sought their votes. One biography of Bush said he "was straining to have as much as possible in common" with JBS, "but his Eastern Liberal Establishment pedigree was always there" as an obstacle that made Birchers not trust him. After he lost in 1964 and he tried to reposition himself as more moderate Bush repudiated JBS. Now JBS hates the Bush family and views them as part of the one world government conspiracy.
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The comments above innacurately refer to the JBS as "hating" the Rockefellers, Bush, and whoever.  The JBS does not hate anyone.  Welch once said, "We don't hate anyone, not even the Communists; we just don't want to fall into their hands". (Paraphrase from memory)  

The best antidote to the Revilo Oliver type of nonsense is to look at the actual impact that the society has had in the past 50+ years.  When the Rockefellers create their own oposition (which they do frequently) they don't actually cause themselves damage thereby.  They may take one step backward and 15 steps forward, as they have in the case of "environmentalism", but the net result is always positive for the cause of Globalism, of which David is so proud.   With the JBS, Rockefeller would have taken 15 steps backward and no steps forward, not the usual Rockefeller efficiency.  Digging into the history is fine, but the rumor is easily dismissed by looking at what is obvious.
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-10-25 15:58:47 
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Why does the JBS oppose the Bush family though? The Bushes are certainly good conservatives, I don't understand why JBS views the Bushes as part of an "internationalist" conspiracy. And plus since George H.W. Bush himself used to be a Bircher, why did the Birchers turn against him so quickly?
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 Subject :Re:I found disturbing material written about the JBS.. 2009-10-25 18:18:19 
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G.H.W. Bush may or may not have been a former Bircher. I don't know. I'll take your word for it that he was.

That being the case, the JBS did not turn their back on G.H.W. Bush, G.H.W Bush turned his back on the JBS by his actions. Look at his record. Trilateral Commission, a companion organization to the CFR. Same organization Jimmy Carter belongs to. Unconstitutional invasion of Iraq. He did NOTHING to reduce the size of government during his four years in office. He was the first and foremost Insider for the Reagan years. Look at his record as Ambassador to the UN.

If he was in the JBS, odds are that it was an attempt at infiltration. That's something that has been tried before.

As to his son... more unconstitutional wars, growth of NAFTA, beginnings of the NAU, picking Cheney as his second in command, a budget buster.

As was mentioned earlier, the JBS does not hate G.W. or G.H.W., but it certainly opposes what they have done, individually and collectively, in regards to following the Constitution, growing government, inflating the money supply, etc.
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Ok. But I don't want you to take my word for it. I'm going to back it up with sources. There is a controversial conspiracy theory book by Webster G. Tarpley and Anton Chitkin, two ultraliberal historians, called George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography, that although for the most part useless, has some good research on this issue that is well sourced and shows that Bush joined JBS in 1963-1964 as part of his Goldwater profile when he was the GOP candidate for Texas Senator against incumbent Democrat Ralph Yarborough. They said that Bush was "straining to have as much as possible in common" with JBS "but his Eastern Liberal Establishment pedigree was always there" as an obstacle to that common ground. This is also document in more legitimate books about Bush such as Kevin Phillips's American Dynasty, which although hostile, avoids silly conspiracy theories, and says Bush "flirted with the John Birch Society" and Herbert Parmet in his book George Bush: The Life of a Lone Star Yankee also says Bush was involved in JBS in order to help portray himself as a Goldwater conservative. Yarborough claims that even after Goldwater repudiated JBS, Bush said that he welcomed their support and encouraged it.
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Of course I should also point that after Bush lost to Yarborough he was pretty quick to distance himself from the organization and repudiate it. He denouced it in 1965 shortly after he had lost and accused it of using smear tactics and "guilt by association" tactics.
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